Discuss:Government, Politics, Policy:Third Party Presidential Candidates
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Third Party Presidential Candidates
charmed_quark - Sat Oct 9 11:14:58 2004
I've gotten tired of the the puppet on the left or puppet on the right decision that the Republicans and Democrats give us for President. This election I've been paying more attention to 3rd parties like Libertarian and Green which represent different versions of 'left' and 'right' on the politcal compass.
On Nov. 2, I plan on casting my vote for a 3rd party candidate with the justification that, while they might not win, if the major parties start losing votes significant votes to 3rd parties they will be forced to shift their platform in that direction in order to gain those votes back.
What you do think? What role should 3rd/4th/5th parties play in national (U.S.) politics?
--charmed_quark Sat Oct 9 11:14:58 2004
joryea - Tue Nov 9 0:35:08 2004
This is not an easy question to answer, but since I work with these kind of ideas for a living, I should do my best to answer with as much truthfulness implied as possible.
Opinions usually dictate the policies of most candidates, although sometimes you have those who fight on certain principles, like those outlined with the workings of the founding of this nation. This, is generally the problem with politics all together; it's become more of a game than any kind of serious matter of national security and sovereignty. Who's going to win the game? Who will be the victor, to make those decisions which will determine the future outcome of humanity as a whole? This is obviously not some game were playing here; peoples very lives are in the hands of whomever we desire to take up the position of commander and chief of the most powerful and influential nation the world has ever known in its entire existence.
People must study their history. They need to work through the ideas of the founding of this nation, with rigor. Any politician or statesman who does not accomplish such a task as reading through several works of Hamilton's, and the writings of Lincoln, is a complete and utter fraud. This, in and of itself, will solve this problem you ponder upon. Any candidate, weather 3rd party or 8th party, if they have no understanding of tragedy, and the fall of the Roman Empire, if they have not read thoroughly through Julius Caesar and other works of Shakespeare, then they have no place in politics.
This kind of curriculum should flush out the rats that find their way into the political sphere of influence. A few questions should sum up my point quite generally below:
1) Does John Kerry know anything about the American System of Political Economy, described especially well within the Report on Manufacturing, by Alexander Hamilton?
2) Does President George W. Bush understand any detail to what a military power constitutes, most expressedly defined by the core of engineers organized under President Franklin Delenor Roosevelt?
3) Does Ralph Nader understand the fallacy of the mob of Rome within Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, as they rush frantically towards their very demise?
4) Has Howard Dean ever read through Plato's Republic, constituting a method of discerning truthfulness?
These individuals, and almost all others, except for a select few, have no place in even motioning towards the idea of taking it upon themselves to rest in the position of commander and chief of the United States of America, unless they take up the study of such workings as would define a thorough classical education.
And even then, they must find the sublime within themselves as well, otherwise we would elect a Hamlet, who bears grace of bravery and knowledge of leadership, yet the fallacy of not understanding his own immortality, and for this, falling to fearful whims instead of steadfastly leading his nation as chieftain, towards the successful survival of all of his people for generations to come.
All who fight upon principle, are worth the support others confide within them. By fighting on principle, you need not fight on simple issues of popularly uneducated opinion.
This, is the path to forming a great nation once again. Perhaps you should take it upon yourself to form such an act as would stand for principles which would lead humankind to salvation in this darkened age of untruthful bickering over who wishes to be less fascist than those that already govern illegitimately over the supposedly sovereign body of the United States.
Free will exists, but it as well, is bounded by universal principles of truthful motion of all bodies of physical space-time; the form being constituted curvature of anti-entropic processes.
[ Edited Tue Nov 09 2004, 12:43AM ]
--joryea Tue Nov 9 0:35:08 2004
